The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Mickey liked his doughnuts. 170 lbs.? The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Jim Snedeker October 4, 2005 Bob P He goes up one notch for being a character! snook Cut him some slack. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. snook Joe Figliola Al April 27, 2013 The point is he made a bad team worse. June 11, 2003 Cut him some slack. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Jay He later came back to play for the Padres. Lolich's big-league debut came May 12, 1963, in a 9-3 Detroit loss to the Cleveland Indians. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Cut him some slack. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. LA-Mets Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. October 4, 2006 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. August 11, 2015 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. January 12, 2011 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He started 45 games and completed 29. October 19, 2011 He had terrific stuff. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? No contest. bob saunders =Chuck= Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. NYB Buff Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? After one year in New York Lolich retired. August 7, 2018 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. At Lolich's Donuts & Pastry shop, beside a wooded country highway, Mickey Lolich, the lefthander who beat the Cardinals three times in the 1968 World Series, wiped flour off his nose, brushed icing from his thick forearms and greeted his customers. And complaining about how fat he was? Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since November 21, 1964. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. October 4, 2005 Our visitors have submitted thousands of thoughts and memories of the Mets and the games they've played. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Cut him some slack. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. April 6, 2012 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Robert He had terrific stuff. Gary from Chesapeake April 27, 2013 October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. November 12, 2006 August 11, 2015 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. The point is he made a bad team worse. Bob P And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Lolich went down in baseball lore by registering three complete game victories and securing the Most . God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. See the starting lineups, who started at each position year-by-year, and leaders by position. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Raymond Malcuit Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. 6'1", 170???? The prices shown are the lowest prices available for Mickey Lolich the last time we updated. January 12, 2011 April 6, 2012 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. November 28, 2001 The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. support. mets He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Bob P The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! December 20, 2019 LA-Mets October 18, 2008 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Bob P McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Really? April 23, 2003 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. Baseball burnt him out. During those 18 years he autographed thousands of boxes of donuts. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Scripps to his son , W.J. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Lolich came within a batter of a complete game also. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. April 6, 2012 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Shickhaus Franks But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. July 15, 2016 They have three children. Talk show? LA-Mets I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Bob P According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. feat fan As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Bob P 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. We are going all the way!" The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Max Power Man, he was a big one. September 24, 2005 GoMets2006 May 4, 2001 etc. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey is also best known as, 3-time MLB All-Star who started more games as a pitcher than anyone in Detroit Tigers history. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. End of Line May 8, 2003 In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. End of Line Jamey Bumbalo Feat Fan July 15, 2016 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. This has never happened before? Ramblin' Pete Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. That would make him a star in today's market. October 4, 2006 Peter Shickhaus Franks (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Ramblin' Pete Bartolo Colon etc). Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Cut him some slack. I kinda wish he had stayed with the Tigers and I could have rooted for him from afar. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mr. Sparkle But this one defied all logic from the beginning. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. That's pretty good this day in age. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Man, he was a big one. June 30, 2019 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. December 24, 2001 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Bartolo Colon etc). December 20, 2019 Jay C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. April 6, 2012 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Jamey Bumbalo Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Shari He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. bob saunders Shari I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. June 30, 2019 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He started 45 games and completed 29. Bob P Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. He has played in several PGA and Nationwide Tour events in the 1990s. 170 lbs.? Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! September 29, 2007 August 11, 2015 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. April 30, 2009 Joe I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. 170 lbs.? Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? August 7, 2018 September 12, 2002 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. body would be a pretty slender person. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. October 19, 2011 Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. body would be a pretty slender person. bob saunders October 13, 2008 I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. September 24, 2005 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? May 7, 2013 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. June 2, 2006 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Shickhaus Franks (thankfully returning in '81). etc. Joe Figliola Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. The Getty Images design is a trademark of Getty Images. June 2, 2006 He later resurfaced with the Padres. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. October 2, 2005 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. John Bruce As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault.
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